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2013-02-22, 04:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-22, 04:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Malack is high priest of the EoB. Not necessarily the high priest of Nergal, unless I missed something.
Not at present.
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2013-02-22, 04:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
He could just mean "a fellow cleric who spent a number of years adventuring."
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2013-02-22, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
I'm sorry if I missed it, but just for the sake of completeness, have we gotten confirmation that Malack is a vampire? We've had other examples in-comic of undead creatures that can convert others into creatures of their own type by biting them--creatures that aren't vulnerable to sunlight, like Malack isn't.
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2013-02-22, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-24, 05:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Tarquin identifies a Blade Barrier spell in this comic. The DC for identifying an already-cast spell is 20+spell level, so that's a DC 26 Spellcraft check that he makes. Can we infer anything from this?
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2013-02-24, 06:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Well, we can maybe infer that he has at least a +6 Spellcraft, likely higher. And it is a trained only skill, so he would have some ranks in it. Unless the Giant rules that a character can sometimes identify spells he has seen in action and taken note of, regardless of skill ranks. I'm sure, for example, that most people in the Order could identify Explosive Runes without Spellcraft ranks.
But going the route of assuming the rules are being changed without any indication of them being changed is a bigger assumption than just assuming Tarquin has Spellcraft ranks. I doubt the Giant had it in mind to clue us in that Tarquin would need to have X many skill ranks to identify the barrier. But I do think that he was trying to show the audience that Tarquin is a knowledgeable guy. That knowledge would be best translated as training in spellcraft.
With Tarquin's possible epic level and likely high Int./plentiful magic items? I wouldn't be surprised if he had a spellcraft check of 15+.Last edited by SowZ; 2013-02-24 at 06:21 AM.
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2013-02-24, 06:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
I know the SRD rules don't mention this, but wouldn't a spell with a highly recognisable effect have a lower DC? I mean a "Blade Barrier" literally puts a barrier made of blades into place, there are no other spells that do this (apart maybe from an illusion that would imitate the effect). This is quite different from, for instance, Harm, another 6th level spell, where the effect is inflicting damage and could be caused by any number of spells. Could such a highly recognisable effect be considered as a circumstance bonus?
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2013-02-24, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-24, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Spellcraft is also for identifying which spells are currently being cast. Once it's done, it is much easier to determine that just was a Fireball.
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2013-02-24, 08:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
I have frequently read on these forums how sub-par are the choices OOTS made concerning their feat/class/item selection.
Since we already know quite a bit of their stats, as well as the threats they had to face - were there any threads about the more optimal choices they could've made with their resources? Of course, sticking to their preferred party roles...
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2013-02-24, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
I was thinking, should V have the spells Flamefinger and Distant Inferno from OtOoPC listed?
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2013-02-24, 10:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Just wondering, doesn't Xykon have a ring that protects him from positive energy like in SoD? Or is that the Ring of Protection already listed? (I'm not familiar with 3.5)
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2013-02-24, 12:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-24, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-24, 01:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
In the actual effect, yes. That's due to an unintentional scribing error, however, and the official name is still Distant Inferno.
I will be very surprised if Rich ever has V actually use it in the comic, though, so I don't think it matters. I think it would be highly amusing, but it depends too much on people having read a print-only book and it being useful would take too contrived circumstances. The amount of setup required for that joke just seems too much to be worth it.Like 4X (aka Civilization-like) gaming? Know programming? Interested in game development? Take a look.
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2013-02-24, 05:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
For starters, it's easy to shift into classes/PrCs that would significantly boost their power. Even keeping a lot of the personal touches (Roy's ancestral sword, V's preference for blasting, Haley's archery, and so on), there are much better options, such as...
Roy: Warblade
Elan: Sublime Chord
V: Incantatrix
Durkon: Contemplative or (given the campaign) Sacred Exorcist
Haley: Dip into a casting class (e.g. Warlock) for spells that work well with archery
Belkar: Ye gods, just pick anything else.
Even keeping the same classes and sticking to Core, there's lots of little things that would make them more powerful. Buy/find Rings of Freedom of Movement, or have Durkon cast it. Build Durkon or V more around buffing/debuffing. Build Roy more like, well, Tarquin. Give Haley a Splitting bow. Etc.
I mean, it's plain that this would be bad for the narrative, but if you want to rebuild the OotS as a high-op party, you could start here.Last edited by Math_Mage; 2013-02-24 at 05:45 PM.
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2013-02-25, 01:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Not by RAW, which is what we're working with by default.
I don't see that anywhere on the Spellcraft SRD page.
But blade barrier had already been cast; thus, that is irrelevant.
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2013-02-25, 03:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
To determine the Effect of a spell is not the same as to determine the Spell...
Something is strange with Belkar's Wisdom score:
Cure Serious Wounds is a Cleric spell level 3, Ranger level 4
To be able to cast it, he needed 10+4 = Wisdom of 14 (or 13, if you think one should go with the Durkon's spell limit)
Owl's Wisdom can only increase it by 4, so his minimum Wisdom is 9-10
And that doesn't give any penalty...
Furthermore, since the "penalty" comic was after the "scroll use" comic, we can't even argue that he invested some points into it...Last edited by SinsI; 2013-02-25 at 03:06 AM.
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2013-02-25, 03:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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"Circumstance Modifier
A circumstance bonus (or penalty) arises from specific conditional factors impacting the success of the task at hand. Circumstance bonuses stack with all other bonuses, including other circumstance bonuses, unless they arise from essentially the same source."
IMHO it's within a reasonable doubt that Rich could have given Tarquin a circumstance bonus to recognize a spell cast by his old friend and companion who has probably cast it in front of Tarquin before. In fact, in that case it would be more a case of remembering what it looks like than identifying a novel spell; I don't know that I'd make him roll Spellcraft at all in this situation.
And hey, it's also a DC 21 check to recognize a spell being cast from its verbal and somatic components, but nobody's saying it's likely Gannji has ranks in Spellcraft.
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2013-02-25, 04:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Good catch. Added.
That's a different ring (the ring of protection only gives a bonus to his AC).
The level of a scroll is set by the one who creates it, not the one who casts it. By RAW, some divine spells are different in level for clerics and druids than they are for paladins and rangers. Such spells appear at the level appropriate to a cleric or druid.Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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2013-02-25, 06:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
We can add Protection from Daylight (http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0871.html) to Malak's spell list.
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2013-02-25, 07:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Malack has homebrewed a Protection from Daylight spell, so I've added that.
And it looks like Durkon has perfected Mass Death Ward."They couldn't know that the points from the mainline to the siding were frozen, and the signal should have been set at 'DANGER', but snow had forced it down."
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2013-02-25, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 07:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Also we can confirm that Belkar's minimum pre-drain constitution was 2, as a Vampire's Blood Drain deals 1d4 Con drain. The next few comics may still render this moot, but it's a solid boundary.
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2013-02-25, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Durkon should have the "unfinished" removed from "Mass Death Ward", since he already got it working.
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2013-02-25, 09:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, if someone says "Blade Barrier" and a blade of barrier appears, i think the effect would be pretty obvious.
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