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2012-09-17, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
If Brutes are supposed to be super-tough, I could see a case for them being given Feel No Pain as a special rule.
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2012-09-17, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
The diference between real-time and turn-based.
In that game where you play a SM captain in 3rd person view, the Iron Halo became a Regenerative Shield indeed.
Just means they're actually on the level of the old C'tan Phase swords (ignores both armor and Invulnerable saves).
Plus with the latest 6e, regular power swords don't penetrate the top armor anymore (AP 3), and power mauls can't even penetrate power armor (AP 4). Power axes have AP 2, but make you strike at I1.Last edited by deuterio12; 2012-09-17 at 10:10 AM.
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2012-09-17, 10:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
Honestly I'd attribute that much more to regenerative shields (or health or whatever) being the mechanic dujour of space marine games (no caps intentional).
Just means they're actually on the level of the old C'tan Phase swords (ignores both armor and Invulnerable saves).
Plus with the latest 6e, regular power swords don't penetrate the top armor anymore (AP 3), and power mauls can't even penetrate power armor (AP 4). Power axes have AP 2, but make you strike at I1.Favorite Things Mr. Welch can't do during an RPG:
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2012-09-17, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
Correct. "Power Weapon" is a generic class of weapon. Of this type, there are 3 main ones, Swords, which hit at the same Strength as the user but are AP3, Axes, which hit at S+1 and AP2, but make you strike last, and Maces/Mauls, which hit at S+2 and make their foe hit last instead, but are only AP4.
Thunder Hammers, which is basically what the Gravity Hammer is in this case, strike at 2XS, at AP2, and inflict the same Concussive debuff as the Power Maul, but also strike last.
VV Oh no, Power Fists are still there. They're just like Thunder Hammers, but they aren't Concussive. I was just mentioning the relevant weapons. If you wanted a list of all Melee weapons in 40K, then we'd be here for roughly eternity.Last edited by The_Final_Stand; 2012-09-17 at 11:01 AM.
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2012-09-17, 10:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Power Fists are gone, then? I weep for that poor SM special character who dual-wields them, and for pretty much everyone in the Crimson Fists chapter...
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2012-09-17, 11:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-17, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
Scarabs probably count as having more than 12 Armour. I can see a point for Open Topped though, given that A: It kinda is, and B: If you get a good hit in, on say, the legs, it is going down.
I wouldn't quite count the Ghost as a vehicle in its own right, more a Jetbike with a twin linked Light Plasma Cannon.
Light Plasma Cannon
Range 24" Strength 6 AP 4 Heavy 2
Ghosts may be taken by Grunts, Elites, and Brutes. Models equipped with a Ghost follow all the rules for Jetbikes as described in the Warhammer 40Kovenant rulebook. Ghosts are fitted with twin linked Light Plasma Cannons.
Maybe they'd just count as regular bikes, since they never actually fly over anything, like Jetbikes do. If that was the case, then I'd make Banshees Jetbikes, with a Twin Linked Light Plasma Cannon, and a Fuel Rod Gun.
Also note that Ghosts Turbo Boosting is already taken care of in the 40k rulebook.
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2012-09-17, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Favorite Things Mr. Welch can't do during an RPG:
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- Collateral Damage Man is not an appropriate concept for a super hero.
- No longer allowed to recreate the Death Star Trench Run out of genre.
- When accepting a challenge for a duel, I must allow the other guy time to find a pistol.
- Check the door means to listen at it, not put several rounds through it.
- We will not implement any plan that includes the words "And hope they miss a lot"
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2012-09-17, 12:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-17, 10:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Favorite Things Mr. Welch can't do during an RPG:
- My monk's lips must be in sync.
- Collateral Damage Man is not an appropriate concept for a super hero.
- No longer allowed to recreate the Death Star Trench Run out of genre.
- When accepting a challenge for a duel, I must allow the other guy time to find a pistol.
- Check the door means to listen at it, not put several rounds through it.
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2012-09-17, 10:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-17, 10:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
Well, I'd prefer a complete army list that represents the Covenant at the height of their power, when they had access to and could field both Sangheili Elites and Jiralhanae Brutes.
How about they are both Default Elite choices, but if you field a Sangheili Zealot, his fellow Sangeilie Elites are now Troop choices, and if you choose instead to field a Jiralhanae Chieftain, then Brute Packs can now be taken as Troops.Favorite Things Mr. Welch can't do during an RPG:
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2012-09-17, 10:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
Couldn't the Brutes and Elites work together if a Prophet was in charge so they all had to play nice?
Also since I'm only scanning a lot of the details has anyone done anything about Plasma Grenades?
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2012-09-17, 10:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
Would plasma grenades compare to Melta-bombs? They're both grenades full of really-hot-fiery-stuff, right? Dunno about how the blast compares, but they both seem to wreck armor within their respective universes.
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I disagree sticking makes them so much easier to hit with. Plus they seem to be certain death if you stick it to a foe. Plus they are at least as deadly as Frags for infantry which I seem to remember Kraks being slightly less.
I don't know if 40k table top mechanics are precise enough though, it makes some pretty broad generalizations and I don't know them well at all.
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Alright, I'm gonna have a go at this. It's just a rough draft, so I'm open to suggestions.
Thel 'Vadamee, Arbiter of the Sanghelli
{table=head]WS|BS|S |T |W |I |A |LD|Sv
7|7|5|5|3|5|2|10|3+
[/table]
Wargear:
Dual Plasma Rifles (Treat as twin-linked)
Plasma Grenades (Once rules for them are worked out)
Energy Sword
Arbiter's Combat Harness (as normal harness, but 3+ armor save)
Energy Shields (Allow re-roll of one failed save per round)
Active Camo (Single use, used at the beginning of a turn. All units shooting at Thel must roll as if using the Night Fighting rules.)
Special Rules:
Independent Character
Eternal Warrior
Fleet of Foot
Lightning Reflexes (Grants a 5+ Invulnerable save)
Fury of the Covenant (All allied Covenant units within 12" [including himself] are Fearless)Last edited by Chess435; 2012-09-17 at 11:23 PM.
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2012-09-17, 11:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
Krak grenades and frag grenades, as infantry wargear, don't actually do damage to other infantry despite thinking it'd be obvious for them to do so - frags ignore cover bonuses, kraks are anti-vehicle melee weapons for troops who can't melee a vehicle on their own. Sure, it's easier to kill someone with a grenade if it's magnetic, but at the scale that melee combat represents, it's not really much better than stabbing them with your spiked skull-covered chainsaw sword. Though in the RPG, Kraks are grenades with higher damage and smaller blast radius.
I just think the last thing that the game needs is ANOTHER type of special grenade with wonky rules, when 'counts as frag/krak grenades' is enough and the game's newest editions are trying to weed them out. Though now that I'm thinking of it, the sticky property could be represented as having plasma grenades count as both frag and kraks, and have plain frag grenades as a separate and cheaper option.
Wargear:
Dual Plasma Rifles (Treat as single Plasma Rifle at Assault 4)
Energy Sword
Arbiter's Combat Harness (as normal harness, but 3+ armor save)
Energy Shields (Allow re-roll of one failed save per round)
Active Camo (Single use, used at the beginning of a turn and grants a 3+ cover? save for that turn)
Active Camo - have it grant the Night Fighting special rule for anyone who shoots at him that turn.
Re-rolling saves isn't as good as you think because you can't re-roll an automatic fail, which AP3 weapons would do. Instead, just have the Energy Shields give a 4+ invulnerable save.Last edited by The Glyphstone; 2012-09-17 at 11:17 PM.
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
I'm pretty sure Dire Avenger Exarchs get extra shots for dual-wielding.
Also, I really like your Active Camo idea.
The reason I gave the Arbiter an Invuln on the side instead of in the shields is that if every Elite was running around with a 4+ or even a 5+ invulnerable save, things would get problematic quickly. Would you guys be comfortable giving all units with Energy Shields a 6+ Invulnerable save and 1 reroll per round? (Improving to 5+ for Zealots/Generals/Special Characters?)Last edited by Chess435; 2012-09-17 at 11:33 PM.
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
Actually, the rules I outlined already cover for that. If you take a Prophet, but not a Zealot or a Chieftain, then both Jiralhanae and Sangheili are available as Elite choices.
The only messy part of the rule is that you can't pick both a Zealot and a Chieftain, since even before the schism the two sides largely refused to work with one another, or at the very least a Sangheili would never follow a Jiralhanae leader into battle. They'd have their own separate Sangheili commander (even if one lower ranked than the Brute).
It looks pretty good to me, especially with the changes suggested thus far. The only thing I would suggest is that Fury of the Covenant have an addendum that it does not affect Jiralhanae. You might even go so far to include that all Jiralhanae fighting Thel 'Vadamee Hate this model (40k has standardized rules for Hatred now right? Always hit on a 3+, will not leave combat with, etc.)Last edited by ChaosLord29; 2012-09-18 at 12:22 AM.
Favorite Things Mr. Welch can't do during an RPG:
- My monk's lips must be in sync.
- Collateral Damage Man is not an appropriate concept for a super hero.
- No longer allowed to recreate the Death Star Trench Run out of genre.
- When accepting a challenge for a duel, I must allow the other guy time to find a pistol.
- Check the door means to listen at it, not put several rounds through it.
- We will not implement any plan that includes the words "And hope they miss a lot"
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It looks pretty good to me, especially with the changes suggested thus far. The only thing I would suggest is that Fury of the Covenant have an addendum that it does not affect Jiralhanae. You might even go so far to include that all Jiralhanae fighting Thel 'Vadamee Hate this model (40k has standardized rules for Hatred now right? Always hit on a 3+, will not leave combat with, etc.)
Favorite Things Mr. Welch can't do during an RPG:
- My monk's lips must be in sync.
- Collateral Damage Man is not an appropriate concept for a super hero.
- No longer allowed to recreate the Death Star Trench Run out of genre.
- When accepting a challenge for a duel, I must allow the other guy time to find a pistol.
- Check the door means to listen at it, not put several rounds through it.
- We will not implement any plan that includes the words "And hope they miss a lot"
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Re: The Covenant (Halo) vs The Grand Imperium of Man (Warhammer 40k)
I want to note that I disagree with giving him higher Strength and Toughness. Special Characters in 40K are still technically Human/Eldar/Ork/Whatever, so they aren't any stronger or tougher. They may have more Wounds to grant them more staying power, or better saves from more advanced Wargear, or higher WS/BS/I/Ld to represent greater combat experience, but the physical stats rarely change unless they've been augmented in some way (Straken).
Presumably, Active Camo could be a piece of Wargear for Elites (the species, not the FO slot) in general to take as an upgrade?
^^Hatred just means that on the first round of close combat with the Hated foe, they reroll all misses.Last edited by The_Final_Stand; 2012-09-18 at 04:19 AM.
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