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2012-01-08, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Again that's an in-game limitation. We're seeing the action from Samu's PoV, that certainly has much better reflexes tha us simple people. What looked like a 5 sec delay from the boss may as well be a fraction of second in a real combat. The game would be unplayable otherwise!
This is, I could just as well say the Swarmlord takes half an hour between attacks since that's around as much time it'll take between two assault phases in TT.
Again, assuming he can get close at all. Samus's a ranged specialist, she has no reasons to stay and wait for the big bug with four swords to close in.
Well, we know from the manga that's Ridley is a big show off
Also he can fly. The swarmlord meanwhile may be big, but size=/=movement speed, and unless it's a nice plains it can easily turn against him when the ground can't hold his massive weight.
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Still don't count Jack out as he may as he's shown to be a king of resilience, since as Prime32 pointed out his enemies had basically to rewrite reality to erase him from existence to get him out of the way!
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Now that you mention it, I wouldn't be suprised if Jack proceeded to shoot Omega lazors from his eyes while unlocking his full psychic potential!Last edited by deuterio12; 2012-01-08 at 06:14 PM.
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2012-01-08, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Im actualy pretty sure thats a style of magic that Jack doesnt use, i dont think he at any time have produced any sort of elemental attack.
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2012-01-08, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm. Samus never seemed particularly fast (travel speed) to me, except while dodging. From what I've seen, I don't think she could keep her distance from the swarmlord (who, let's get real, should be a few times faster than a human but isn't for balance reasons - just like samus, really). Do we have locations for either fight?
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2012-01-09, 06:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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1 Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k) vs 22 Samus & Dark Samus (Metroid)
14 Jack Rakan & Evangeline A.K McDowell (Mahou Sensei Negima) vs 2 Martian Manhunter & Doomsday (DC Universe)
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2012-01-09, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-09, 09:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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1 Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k) vs 22 Samus & Dark Samus (Metroid)
Blowing up critters like the Swarmlord is something Samus does twice before breakfast, and Creed is no a match for her or the clone in a strait-up fight either.Last edited by SlyGuyMcFly; 2012-01-09 at 09:21 AM.
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2012-01-09, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hmm, ok. That's pretty fast, but I don't want to hear any "supersonic". That's not supersonic, it just sounds cool and alliterates.
Can she do this indefinitely? Apparently it takes a few seconds to charge, but does it keep gong or only last a set time? What about manouverability (there was a 3d game it was featured in) - can she dodge around obstacles? Is it actually effective for running around, or just for charging at enemies and completing puzzles? And then there's again, the arena. It'll have a huge effect on this fight. How does selecting it work again :s
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2012-01-09, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's a pretty lame "plan", and very weak writing if that's the word-for-word quote. What's the contigency plan for Superman? "KILL IT WITH KRYPTONITE"? Simply stating a weakness and saying, "Use that" isn't exactly a plan.
Hey, want to hear my plan to kill Batman? Shoot him with a gun! I know, brilliant, right? The Joker is such an idiot.
OK, shadow teleportation and dirty fighting, good. I don't know much about these Negima guys, so help me out. Questions about Evangeline:
1. Is there any in-canon evidence that she can resist high-level psychic attacks?
2. If she switches over to fight Doomsday... um, what could she do against him?
Questions about Jack:
1. How strong is he? Meaning, what kinds of feats has he done that would help me gauge his level of strength?
2. How does Jack "reverse" death? How fast is the process? If it isn't done in the heat of battle, Jack's death would count as a technical knock-out, even if he comes back after the fight.Thanks to lindorm for the cat avatar!
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2012-01-09, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Evangeline
1. Can't remember
2. Freeze him into place, punch him through buildings.
Jack
1. I can't think of a specific example
2. He was unmade by the powers of creation. He apparently willed himself back to existence and joined in the final battle. There was a period of time between the final battle and his apparent death.Spoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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2012-01-09, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nah, the Joker just loves to play around with Batman too much. And nobody else dares to shoot batman because that would make the Joker come after them. No, seriously, there's a story where it seems like one of Joker's flunkies got a killing shot in batman, the Joker "rewards" him by nailing him inside a coffin and throwing him inside a boiling chemical vault.
In another story where the Joker chains batman in the middle of an open room and tells his flunkies to fill him with bullets, they discover the Joker replaced all their ammo with blank cartridges!
1-Well, in 40K pshicic powers and magic are basically the same, and Evangeline is a magician with centuries of experience with all kind of protective spells.
2-The problem with Evangeline it's that she's one of those characters that so far has never truly gone all out, and actualy mostly sits out of the action so the other characters can do something. However we know she can do this. And yes, that's your typical reality-destroying demon from beyond that she defeated whitout a sweat.
1-Well, he throws swords sized for cleaving battleships and two-punches ancient wyrms.
2-Hell if anyone knows how he does it besides "fighting spirit"!
However, he revived himself in some seconds after being nuked and impaled by Negi. Erased from reality took him several hours tough.
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2012-01-09, 02:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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It takes 1 second to charge, and her maneuverability is limited - she can dodge obstacles but has to stop briefly to make sharp turns. However, she can also use it to fly. There is no time limit.
He came back partially about a minute or two after being erased so that he could give Negi advice, then disintegrated again.
A fight sequence with Jack and Eva
Endless White Nine Heavens should be able to trap Doomsday.Spoiler
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Another fight with Eva in these two chapters.Last edited by Prime32; 2012-01-09 at 02:46 PM.
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2012-01-09, 03:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm pretty sure every member of the Justice League has knocked out the entire Justice League by now, including the guys with no powers.
Doomsday has come out of a black hole alive
and murdered Superman.
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2012-01-09, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Can you elaborate on this? Did he escape under his own power or...
Full disclosure, Doomsday does have GL ring for much of the battle. Although it is destroyed before he is cast into the Black Hole.
Also noteworthy, Doomsday battles a being called the Radiant, and the site of their battle is an entire continent turned to glass through the power of the energy unleashed.
Both of these are defeats Doomsday suffered several hundred thousand years before battling Superman. Doomsday goes up against the Radiant again in a Superman miniseries and kills him incredibly quickly, having adapted to disperse energy.
Didn't he do that by making a gas tanker explode in Superman's face?
And hasn't Superman since beaten up armies of Doomsdays at once?
The second time Doomsday and Superman fought, Supes packed special Kryptonite battle gear, and was actually defeated in even shorter order. Relying on a timely intervention from Waverider to save him.
EDIT:I'm pretty sure every member of the Justice League has knocked out the entire Justice League by now, including the guys with no powers.Last edited by Selrahc; 2012-01-09 at 03:38 PM.
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2012-01-09, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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To be honest, Hal Jordan is a normal human and he also soloed the whole GL corps and guardians just because he had a green latern ring. Also surviving black holes is kinda a staple for comic characters, if not outright a salvation ticket ("remember that giant explosion that looked like it disintregated me? Yeah, turns out it formed a black hole of sorts that put me in some other dimension and now I got back baby!")
EDIT: This site seems to confirm it
"The resulting explosion destroys the mountain and, as far as the Guardians could tell, Doomsday. In actuality, the explosion tore a hole in space itself, sending Doomsday hurtling thousands and thousands of light years away. "
You're forgeting the point where the continent was glassed because they hit the super-reactor that fueled everything in the planet and it super-exploded.
That was propaganda. Superman was geting kinda of stale, so hey let's kill and ressurect him! (plus he never really died, more like he was left in coma)
On the other hand, it helped that doosmday, exceptionally, can make superman bleed with its sharp extremities. Not being an anime character, supes cannot afford to lose multiple gallons of blood. Jack, on the other hand, is an anime character so doosmday cannot kill him with blood loss!Last edited by deuterio12; 2012-01-09 at 03:59 PM.
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Also surviving black holes is kinda a staple for comic characters, if not outright a salvation ticket ("remember that giant explosion that looked like it disintregated me? Yeah, turns out it formed a black hole of sorts that put me in some other dimension and now I got back baby!")Avatar by Simius
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2012-01-09, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Made some edits to my post, may want to check it out. Mainly the guardian explosion ended up only teleporting stuff to other place, and the glassed continent was because of a reactor explosion, not doomsday's own power.
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2012-01-09, 04:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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On the other hand, it helped that doosmday, exceptionally, can make superman bleed with its sharp extremities. Not being an anime character, supes cannot afford to lose multiple gallons of blood. Jack, on the other hand, is an anime character so doosmday cannot kill him with blood loss!thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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1 Creed & Swarmlord (Warhammer 40k) vs 22 Samus & Dark Samus (Metroid)
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14 Jack Rakan & Evangeline A.K McDowell (Mahou Sensei Negima) vs 2 Martian Manhunter & Doomsday (DC Universe)
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2012-01-09, 08:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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^ Re: feats
Jack has destroyed mountains and infinitely-large pocket dimensions. He can punch hard enough to kill someone standing a kilometer away, and threw a spear fast enough to create an explosion kilometers in width. He can easily punch his way through a shield that withstood being fired on by an orbital laser from the future, and also has techniques which ignore his opponents' defences outright (Zanmaken Nii no Tachi could hit J'onn while he's intangible or pass through Doomsday's skin to hit his brain).Last edited by Prime32; 2012-01-09 at 09:02 PM.
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2012-01-10, 04:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Altough I'm rooting for Negima here, I must point out it's been stated that Doomsday has long evolved over having soft squishy vitual tissues of any kind. There's even a comic where supes uses a high-tech laser sword to almost cut doomsday in half, and we can see it has no internal organs or blood whatsoever inside, just compact grey mass that quickly glues itself back togheter. He's more of a flesh golem than a monstruous humanoid.
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Debatable, to say the least. When the rules of two universes contradict each other, your favourite characters rules do not necessarily take presidence.
Anyway, Negima Wiki says that the technique "cuts a demonic spirit behind a person without injuring the person." Martians don't count as demonic spirirts.Thanks to lindorm for the cat avatar!
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Basically it's a technique which only cuts the things you wish it to cut, and passes through the rest.Last edited by Prime32; 2012-01-10 at 11:17 AM.
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Um..again, I actually read the wikitroid article on her non suit based capabilities.
All it really does it heighten it to assassin grade levels of dexterity, and allow her to breathe in alien atmospheres.. even the zero suit is still a type of power armor.
Inside it, her mind is just as vulnerable as an exceptionally strong willed person.
Exceptional within human limits, not space marine limits.
Swarm Lord can, and will, use his psychic abilities to rip her mind apart.
And also Creed can get himself a baneblade, anytime he damn well pleases. Especially if this conflict is important enough to ally himself with a Tyranid.
Of course if we're going to represent both at top power we could always give Creed a Retribution Class Imperial Warship, and Swarmlord his splinter fleet.
and Samus her ship.
I personally also do not appreciate your patronizing tone in your post, nor the constant rudeness I have encountered when discussing things with you. I will not be responding to further posts from you. now, or ever.Last edited by Fan; 2012-01-10 at 01:10 PM.
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And also Creed can get himself a baneblade, anytime he damn well pleases. Especially if this conflict is important enough to ally himself with a Tyranid.
Of course if we're going to represent both at top power we could always give Creed a Retribution Class Imperial Warship, and Swarmlord his splinter fleet.
and Samus her ship.
The fighters have somewhat standard gear, that they use. So while Creed could possibly requisition himself a Sentinel power lifter, a Displacement field, a stack full of void and vortex grenades and a conversion beamer, he doesn't get that. He gets the equipment he uses.
No allies are allowed. This is the fighters as fighters. Not as commanders. (And in my opinion Creed was a really silly nomination because his noteworthy strength is as a tactician and strategist, not a fighter.)
No Baneblade for Creed.Avatar by Simius
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2012-01-10, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Creed's kinda out of luck on that field, since one of the main characteristic of 40K special characters is that they never change their special wargear (which half-justifies their reduced point cost in comparison with vannilla commanders).
Anyway, even if he could requisition vehicles, he can't request warships for the simple fact he's an IG officer, and the IG and Imperial navy are two separate entities that don't take orders from one another. A suposed fail-safe to prevent commanders thatrealize the uglyness of the IoM and break freeturn renegade instantly geting control of the nearest fleet.
And that's why guardsmen curse the heavens as they're forced to fight bloody ground battles when some simple warship suport could make their life much easier.
EDIT: On the other hand, sneaking inside a massive battleship, butchering the crew, overloard the reactors and escape as it explodes on the background is precisely the kind of thing Samus does as warm ups.Last edited by deuterio12; 2012-01-10 at 02:53 PM.
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Basically it's a technique which only cuts the things you wish it to cut, and passes through the rest.
Swarm Lord can, and will, use his psychic abilities to rip her mind apart.
The battlefield therefore is now a Space Hulk. Does this change anything?
Because in that case she would just have to blow the reactor on the hulk up, and then escape away before everything explodes.thnx to Starwoof for the fine avatar
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Except that it has only 1/3 to 1/2 the range of missiles, and being in cover will protect you from it (a basic rule of 40k)
That depends, does Samus have a way of both surviving and traveling in open space?
Because in that case she would just have to blow the reactor on the hulk up, and then escape away before everything explodes.Spoiler: I'm a writer!Spoiler: Check out my fanfiction[URL="https://www.fanfiction.net/u/7493788/Forum-Explorer"here[/URL]
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