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2012-08-10, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
I would think though that based on how the last fight played out Z would now realize that prepping all his spells just for dealing with V is a losing strategy. Wizard with genius level intellect and all that. And even if Z is still completely focused on fighting V, dominating one of V's allies is a perfectly valid anti-V strategy (and nicely pays V back for doing the same to him in their last fight.) And if nothing else prepping that spell leaves Z with a ready counter-spell option in case V tries to Dominate one of Z's allies again.
I don't recall what Z's banned schools are, but if he does have access to Enchantment I would be shocked if he hasn't prepped Dominate Person for this fight. And given Belkar's low will save, and the fact that the spell works through a telepathic link and thus will still work despite Belkar being deafened, there's a good chance Belkar is about to switch sides. And with V MIA and Durkon in melee with a powerful opponent, the Order won't have any immediate way to switch him back.
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2012-08-10, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
I love both this and the previous strip!
However the battle ultimately ends up, Roy's initial ambush is nothing short of brilliant: In a matter of moments, he has leveled the playing field -- and more -- to balance out V's absence. And placing Belkar within range of Durkon's Holy Word (and thus giving him resistance/immunity to certain spells) was a masterstroke!
EDIT: Oh yeah. I absolutely loved Roy's comment at the end. That was a laugh-out-loud moment.
Ditto! It took me a moment to figure out why Belkar couldn't hear Nale, but when I did, I couldn't help but laugh out loud (again).
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2012-08-10, 08:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-10, 08:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-10, 08:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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What would inline mean: He shouldn't be lvl 16, because of 10% XP malus due to violation of multiclassing rules.
Human = highest class does not count; all other classes shouldn't be more than one level apart.
With your combo he'd have the 10%malus for at least three level ups, which IMHO forbids a total of 16 levels.
I think more of 8/4/4 or 8/4/3.
You know, Nale's "optimized" :D
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2012-08-10, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Last edited by Kish; 2012-08-10 at 01:00 PM.
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2012-08-10, 09:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
such an awesome strip. really one of the better ones
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2012-08-10, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-10, 09:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not sure I agree with everyone who thinks Durkon is in a bad spot. He's got smoke for cover, an astronomical armor class and, no doubt, plenty of healing left. Not to mention plot armor against Tarquin specifically (as mentioned earlier in the thread). Even without the plot armor, I'd be surprised if Durkon couldn't go at least a few rounds with Tarquin before being beaten down -- plenty of time for the Roy to drop the next shoe. And Roy's shoes appear to be iron combat boots just now.
Let's see, if I were Roy, what would I pull out next? Time for the bag of tricks?~Xel
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2012-08-10, 09:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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But that's only the first "range increment." An archer can add addiional range increments, up to 10, with a cumulative -2 penalty to attack. So, for example, between 101 and 200 feet, -2; between 201 and 300, -4; etc.
The Far Shot feat increases the range, as does the distance special property for bows.John Ling
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2012-08-10, 09:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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NOW THAT is how you use friendly fire to your own advantage
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2012-08-10, 09:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm surprised Rich didn't go with Gustav Wind. Ah, well.
I wonder how many programmers are going to bookmark this strip.
Also, as ever, any time Belkar is genuinely smiling, you know some bastardry is going to go down.
Oh, and "everyone not on the side of the angels" - that's another neat way to allude to alignment ICly.
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2012-08-10, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Indeed.
When I worked for Coleco, I noticed that ColecoVision game instruction booklets usually ended with something like:
"The Thrill Of Discovery
This game has other features and opportunities than those explained in this booklet. Enjoy the thrill of discovery!"
I don't recall the exact words but it sure was a handy way to explain bugs!Last edited by rewinn; 2012-08-10 at 09:41 AM.
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2012-08-10, 09:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-10, 09:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Here is something kind of odd with tarquin...
Elan wouldnt accept the ring of regeneration because he was really worried about where it came from.... BUT
If circumstances had instead come down to defeating Tarquin and looting his stuff, the OOTS would have no compunctions about using items based on where they came from.
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2012-08-10, 09:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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The best thing to do at this point is isolate Tarquain somehow and take out Z. At the moment Tarquain is the priority threat, but Z still has some chance, however slim, to pull off a successful spell. And I'm willing to bet he has at least one Flesh to Stone on standby, and an anti arrow spell. So at least isolate and/or distract Tarquain, and get rid of the drow.
This of course does not take Malack or Quarr into account because of of them being behind a solid metal wall, and there's a chance Quarr got banished too. Malack may also have been affected by the Holy Word, but that remains to be seen since the Giant seems to want us to keep guessing at his alignment. When the reveal finally comes, its going to be amazing.
Oh yes, and this also doesn't take Team Evil into account, because I'm of the opinion that they're already at the Desert Gate. Otherwise we'd already have seen or heard them. Xykon isn't exactly quite when it comes to his spell choices.
And that's my two cents and such on this. Here's to no wars being born of my post like last time.
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2012-08-10, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
once the fog lifts completely if haley peppers Z with arrows, between that and the 20% spell failure its questionable whether or not Z will even be able to cast at all. and that ignores the possibility of Belkar finishing off nale in the next round and indulging himself in a little wizard killing.
Originally Posted by theinsulabot;Originally Posted by Roland St. Jude;
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2012-08-10, 10:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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It's been a bit, GitP. If you're reading this, you're either digging through old stuff, or I've posted for the first time in forever.
If you want to stay in touch, reach out to me on twitter (same username).
The best answer is always to ask your DM.
Unless you're the DM, in which case you should talk to your players.
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2012-08-10, 10:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-10, 10:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Beautiful. Simply beautiful.
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2012-08-10, 11:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm pretty sure Roy already knows it's Tarquin, or at least suspects it. He knows that not-thog is:
1. A human male
2. Meele focused
3. High enough level to fight off the entire order
If he didn't know before, he'll know it now.
And as for Nale, I predict that he'll be in a bodybag before this arc is done. There's one gate left, and the side-villains are going to be dying like flies to make way for the final battle.
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2012-08-10, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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They're finally learning how to use Belkar
I would be a procrastinator, but I keep putting it off.
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2012-08-10, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's 1000 feet, you can fire up to 10 increments. And it's 1100 feet for a composite longbow. And it's 1650 feet if you have a feat. And there are magic items that can increase this further.
3.x ranges were written by someone with no concept of the idea of "flight time". An arrow going a third of a mile would arive several rounds after it was shot, with little or no force behind it, and coming slowly enough that you could see it coming and dodge (assuming that you hadn't just randomly moved out of the way). The maximum effective range against non-massed targets SHOULD be a couple hundred feet at most with maybe another few hundred feet against massed targets, but in D&D land sensible armies should open up at the maximum range they can get line of sight at and count on the odd 20 to actually hit.
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2012-08-10, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-10, 12:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
Roy may not know it's Tarquin, but he has good reason to suspect it is: the unknown fighter is much, much more powerful than the "leader" Nale, yet does not wish his identity known. That's Tarquin's standard shtick, the power behind the throne.
As for thinning the herd, I predict a whole unveiling of betrayals on the side of Team Evil.
SpoilerTarquin probably won't last past the end of this Gate. If the Star Wars metaphor holds true, he'll save Elan by throwing somebody (probably Xykon) into a shaft, a la Vader and the Emperor.
Zz'drti will realize Qarr fed him bad coordinates for the Plane of Ranch Dressing.
Malack may take the opportunity to attack Nale.
Nale may wonder if Sabine abandoned him; he didn't hear her say "I love you ... forever" nor his father's explanation of her banishment.
If Xykon dies (as above) and must regenerate again, he'll discover that Redcloak switched the phylactery.
There are, in short, a great many betrayals on the boil.The Giant says: Yes, I am aware TV Tropes exists as a website. ... No, I have never decided to do something in the comic because it was listed on TV Tropes. I don't use it as a checklist for ideas ... and I have never intentionally referenced it in any way.
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2012-08-10, 12:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-10, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Did the Holy Word destroy the mummies we saw in 858? They don't appear to be a factor in 860.
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2012-08-10, 12:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-10, 12:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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What about sorcerous arrows?
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2012-08-10, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Brilliant. I love it.