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2012-09-10, 06:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
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2012-09-10, 06:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
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2012-09-10, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
It's been a bit, GitP. If you're reading this, you're either digging through old stuff, or I've posted for the first time in forever.
If you want to stay in touch, reach out to me on twitter (same username).
The best answer is always to ask your DM.
Unless you're the DM, in which case you should talk to your players.
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2012-09-10, 06:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
More random PrCs that might be viable candidates;
Shadow Sun Ninja, Valadis Beastkeeper (possibly with changed entry req. to allow for non-Eberron adapations), Soul Eater (with clarification on how it functions), Runescarred Berserker, Ashworm Dragoon, Swiftblade.There is the moral of all human tales;
'Tis but the same rehearsal of the past.
First freedom and then Glory - when that fails,
Wealth, vice, corruption - barbarism at last.
And History, with all her volumes vast,
Hath but one page...
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2012-09-10, 06:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
The incredibly obscure Scorpion Heritor (Sandstorm) also gets 8+Int skill points/level, as well as full SA.
Off the top of my head I'd love to see Wildrunner (RotW), Shadowmind (CAdv) and Fang of Sseth (SK).
And bonus points for the horrendously bad Knight of the Chalice (CW).
Ashworm Dragoon? Come on, that class is actually pretty good. And Swiftblade is actually actually good. Soul Eater's a fairly popular choice as well, so I doubt that one will be a Secret Ingredient anytime soon.
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2012-09-10, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
Ashworm Dragoon and Swiftblade are both too good/popular to make good choices.
Soul Eater has a huge can of worms with it, in addition to the "fear/debuff stacking shenanigans" complaint.
Runescarred Berserker is hilariously hard to qualify by RAW in 3.5 (as in, you can't, if Curmudgeon's reading of the RAW is correct). Its "separate casting mechanic" is also one which has been specifically requested against of late.
Shadow Sun Ninja also hits the "fear/debuff stacking shenanigans" complaint squarely. While it's the only ToB class I'd personally consider at all for the contest, any ToB class runs the risk of being considered "too good" for the purposes of Iron Chef.
Valadis Beastmaster is a "separate casting mechanic" class, a mechanic which has generated specific calls against it of late. It also shares the issue with RsB of being arguably "too obscure".
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2012-09-10, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-10, 07:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
I'm suddenly very grateful that I'm not the one who has to choose the ingredients. Thank you Amphetryon!
Additionally, I'm really, really happy with my current build for Justicar. I've got to make sure that I've got Skills squared away, but otherwise, the mechanics of it are set!Last edited by Menteith; 2012-09-10 at 07:24 PM.
There is the moral of all human tales;
'Tis but the same rehearsal of the past.
First freedom and then Glory - when that fails,
Wealth, vice, corruption - barbarism at last.
And History, with all her volumes vast,
Hath but one page...
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2012-09-10, 07:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
I don't understand what you mean. could you explain?
I don't think that anyone will look at the list I gave and say "that is going to give us an entry that's all fear stacking"
I certainly don't want people to complain about my secret ingredient suggestions. you're the chairman, so the decision's ultimately up to you. I just thought throwing out a few that complied with Menteith's criteria might give us an impression of what chefs wanted to cook next time around (and what you thought might be fun)
I am a huge fan of scorpion heritor. its tremorsense ability is awesome, and full SA for a 10 lvl prc is unprecedented besides assassin (I think) so that's pretty fun.
I do question your assertion that sandstorm is more obscure than shattered gates of slaughtersdale though
on that note, my build is done as of yesterday, I just need backstoryLast edited by Venger; 2012-09-10 at 07:45 PM.
I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my NEW sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New expansion featuring rules for ships! New book here NOW!
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Amazing Princess Mononoke avatar by Dispozition
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2012-09-10, 07:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
Originally Posted by Venger
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2012-09-10, 08:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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none of the ones I submitted (to my knowledge) have any fear-stacking/intimidate stuff.
I'm not sure what you mean. do you mean "I don't think you'll be satisfied unless someone complains about the SI you have chosen" ? because that is not true of me. if you meant something else, what is it?
my confusion is regarding your interpretation of my comment. did you feel differently about their intimidate/fear stuff? they're not really centered around it.
as far as runescarred berserker goes, why is it impossible to qualify for? couldn't one take survivor, then buy 2 CC in local (rashemen) ? or is there something I am missing?Last edited by Venger; 2012-09-10 at 08:54 PM.
I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my NEW sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New expansion featuring rules for ships! New book here NOW!
Iron Chef Medals!
Amazing Princess Mononoke avatar by Dispozition
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2012-09-10, 09:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
If they have Intimidate as a class skill or another means of debuffing the opponent(s), they're likely to see use for "stacking fear/debuff shenanigans," particularly in the absence of full casting or a similar strong alternative.
I'm not sure what you mean. do you mean "I don't think you'll be satisfied unless someone complains about the SI you have chosen" ? because that is not true of me. if you meant something else, what is it?
my confusion is regarding your interpretation of my comment. did you feel differently about their intimidate/fear stuff? they're not really centered around it.
as far as runescarred berserker goes, why is it impossible to qualify for? couldn't one take survivor, then buy 2 CC in local (rashemen) ? or is there something I am missing?Last edited by Amphetryon; 2012-09-10 at 09:27 PM.
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2012-09-10, 09:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my NEW sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New expansion featuring rules for ships! New book here NOW!
Iron Chef Medals!
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2012-09-10, 10:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
Yay, I'm important!
I think that just having Intimidate as a class skill does not necessarily mean we'll get all builds with fear optimization. Kensai is a bit of a problem since it gets a bonus to Intimidate, so you either use it or lose points, since you're not using all parts of the SI.
From the SI suggested, my personal favorites are Scorpion Heritor, Wildrunner and Shadow Sun Ninja - though I also think Shadow Sun Ninja could be used later, because it will cause a storm of fear-optimized characters.
Amph, congratulations on being this open about suggestions, that's pretty cool.
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2012-09-10, 11:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
I'm probably going to enter - tweaking a final design before final fluffing.
For all the first-timers out there, here's some advice (set to the 'tune' of a certain commercial)
Spoiler
Start with a simple idea
Think
Think more
Drink coffee
Stop thinking
Start doing
Plot a build
Kill the build
More coffee
Build something totally original
Ok, not that original
Blow-your-mind original
Now it’s time to create something
Do it again and again
That’s good
Kick out the clichés
Call in the fluff writers
Call in the rules guys
Call in the optimizers
Not those optimizers
Those Optimizers
Blow off lunch
Blow off dinner
Blow off weekends
SLEEP
...
Ok, that’s enough sleep
More coffee
Build a preliminary build
Mold it
Shape it
Hate it
Start over
Build another preliminary
Mold it
Shape it
Love it
That’s good
More coffee
Give it some kick
Give it more power
More power
Never too much power
Base Attack of +15
No, +16
Make it in less than 20 levels
Oh no, the Rules laywers
You can’t do that.
Kick out the Rules lawyers!
Playtest the build.
Tweak
Tweak
TWEAK
TWEAK
STOP!
Get a second opinion.
Call the critics.
Call your friends.
Get a celebrity endorser.
Huh
No
No
No
No
Yes. He’s perfect.
Originally Posted by Amphetryon
Making an ICO winning build.
It’s that easy.
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2012-09-10, 11:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground XXXVII
Wow. It fits! So that means somebody else is probably using it. Maybe? And it's not nearly...but it fits! *pulls hair*
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2012-09-10, 11:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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hey, you were the one who said what we were all thinking, that entitles you to a little recognition. too bad you didn't like any of my suggestions, maybe next time. I'd kind of like to roll up a scorpion heritor as well. that bonus against mind affecting is pretty sweet as far as feat taxes go.
I really like twisted lord. I love the silly troll face he's making, I'm sure there'd be some weird things people would do with that class.I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my NEW sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New expansion featuring rules for ships! New book here NOW!
Iron Chef Medals!
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2012-09-11, 12:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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I am not seaweed. That's a B.
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2012-09-11, 08:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-11, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-11, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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heehee
There was an entry in Round X, I believe (whichever round we did Blade Bravo) that made use of Twisted Lord--I think it was Moudo.
hey, what's the fastest from announcement to submission in iron chef? I tried checking the IC records thread, and I didn't see it there. I was talking about it earlier but have been unsuccessful while looking at the archive.I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my NEW sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New expansion featuring rules for ships! New book here NOW!
Iron Chef Medals!
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2012-09-11, 08:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-11, 08:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-11, 08:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-11, 08:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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I've used it in a pbp; but I only had one level and the game died before the first combat was finished. hmmm now I am tempted to build a Scorpion Heritor and submit is as soon as (if) it is revealed as a secret ingredient.
And wow I just checked the Record thread and it went up to ICOCitP XV. Is anyone willing to re-start it?
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2012-09-11, 12:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-11, 04:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Dang... I have the perfect idea for this competition, using almost all of the abilities beautifully, and I just know it's going to be using the same base class as at least 3 other entries. Hopefully the other elements of the build are going to make up in the Originality department somewhat...
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2012-09-11, 04:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my NEW sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New expansion featuring rules for ships! New book here NOW!
Iron Chef Medals!
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2012-09-11, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I feel confidant that no one else is dumb enough to do what I'm doing.
There is the moral of all human tales;
'Tis but the same rehearsal of the past.
First freedom and then Glory - when that fails,
Wealth, vice, corruption - barbarism at last.
And History, with all her volumes vast,
Hath but one page...
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2012-09-11, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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