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2010-10-08, 04:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge XII
78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. [...]Where did you start yours?
A street riot in a major city that was getting violent.
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2010-10-08, 04:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, looks like we have 2 done, 1 on the way, and 1 going slowly.
I'll jump in as the fifth. Will start looking over them shortly. Haven't read anything since before the entries were posted, so this should be completely unbiased by anything said
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2010-10-08, 04:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm still about half done. Some of these are kinda tough to process. There are a lot of similar elements, but its not as easy as Blade Bravo or Pyrokineticist were.
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2010-10-08, 11:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, I got 2 more done this evening. Unfortunately, I'm headed out to a birthday party and should be gone most of the weekend. If y'all don't mind waiting until about Monday, I should get the last 4 done. Sorry for the delays.
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2010-10-08, 11:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge XII
Would Paladin 4/War Mind 8/Divine Crusader 8 work? I'm AFB, but it seems like using Primary Contact/Favored (from Cityscape, I think) could get use into War Mind at level 5, thus leaving room for 8 levels of Divine Crusader, or sprinkling in some PrC that advances its casting.
EDIT: Sorry, I meant War Mind.
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2010-10-09, 12:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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That would get Giant Size. Ampheryton wanted to know if there was a way to get Giant Size and >7 levels of Warmind. Fitting in 7 levels is not that hard.
Starting as a Wu Jen and having a Spirit Ally spawn you would allow qualification for emancipated spawn. Repeatedly tap a thought bottle and gain back Wu Jen class features as ES (su) class features. Then use the remainder of your thought bottle XP to gain Warmind levels. You would re-enter play as a 3hd Shadow/ +5LA/ Emancipated Spawn 3/ Warmind 2. Continue prograssion as Warmind. STP Erudite could also do this, but at 15th level instead of 13. Level differential abuse is hardly practical though. You may as well just remake the Word.
PHB2 retraining/rebuilding would work, but only with a fast casting progression PrC like Divine Crusader or Ur-Priest (with domain access). I doubt many DM's would allow a character to train out the majority of their base classes.
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2010-10-09, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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You could also swing something like warmind5/divinecrusader1/psychictheurge5/ in the middle...?
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2010-10-09, 07:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-09, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge XII
It's been argued on this board before that a strict RAW reading of Primary Mind/Favored does not allow you to break the level cap for skill points except at the level where Favored is gained; I touched briefly on this way back in the Stonelord IC challenge, IIRC. That means the above build would only work if you found a way to take Favored at 4th character level, which is difficult, or alternately if you houseruled how Favored works, which seems destined for poor scores in ICOC.
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2010-10-09, 07:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-09, 08:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-09, 08:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge XII
Last edited by Amphetryon; 2010-10-09 at 08:43 AM.
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2010-10-09, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge XII
Can you actually get the Hero domain as a Divine Crusader, though? Isn't it a Shaman Domain, which is a different thing entirely from a Cleric Domain?
Lord Raziere herd I like Blasphemy, so Urpriest Exalted as a Malefactor
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2010-10-09, 12:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-09, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Lord Raziere herd I like Blasphemy, so Urpriest Exalted as a Malefactor
Meet My Monstrous Guide to Monsters. Everything you absolutely need to know about Monsters and never thought you needed to ask.
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2010-10-09, 01:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-09, 01:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Do they also say that the dragon must have that ability to begin with?
While such a requirement would be logical, thinking that way also rules out the ever-popular Wildshape Mystic Ranger. In any case, the definition of TO is dubious bull**** that would never fly in an actual game, but is technically allowed.Lord Raziere herd I like Blasphemy, so Urpriest Exalted as a Malefactor
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2010-10-09, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, it states outright that you need the ability. It even adds that, if the DM really wants to, he can allow a dragon without that ability to pick it up.
Also, sovereign archetypes are meant for NPCs. It's like taking Legendary Strenght from the DMGII.
Not at all. Mystic Ranger gets combat style, albeit at a slowed progression.
Wildshape variant give sup combat style. Mystic Ranger has said combat style. Hence, he can give it up for the wildshape variant. I can't see a contradiction here.
And heck, kobolds are not true dragons anyway.Last edited by true_shinken; 2010-10-09 at 02:18 PM.
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2010-10-09, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge XII
Another way I can think of is if you dip a level of Marshal when you already have Skill Focus(Diplomacy), so you get whatever feat you want when you take your first level of Marshall. Retrain/Dark Chaos Shuffle/whatever out the Skill Focus later.
Not nearly as elegant, I admit, but it is another way of going about it if you don't want to be human for whatever reason.
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2010-10-10, 09:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Ozymandias9; 2010-10-10 at 09:45 AM.
78% of DM's started their first campaign in a tavern. [...]Where did you start yours?
A street riot in a major city that was getting violent.
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2010-10-10, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have checked the builds and no-one has added this but I was wondering if it was allowed in future:
Serenity switches Paladin abilities to work of Wisdom rather than Charisma and is wildly used on these boards even I think with those who say no Dragon magazine yet this feat is Dragon magazine. Would it be allowed in future?
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2010-10-10, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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...ok, I had 8 of these done. I saved it, opened my browser, and my comp crashed.
Bring the word file back up, and everything in the file is a square. Literally, just a long line of hundreds of squares.
Anyone here know if it is recoverable?
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2010-10-10, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-10, 01:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ugh, this is why I hate word.
EDIT: Found some useful references for this. Try these first: Recover file and recover corrupted document
I recommend trying to open the document in wordpad, open office, and a hex editor in that order. Unless someone here knows a good deal about tho word doc file format?
Also, which version of word? That could be important.Last edited by kestrel404; 2010-10-10 at 01:59 PM.
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2010-10-11, 08:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry, meant WordPad, not Word.
Think any of those suggestions will still work?
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2010-10-11, 09:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-11, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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If you want me to try, you can email me the file you have (my username at yahoo) and I'll see what I can do. No promises but if it's just bit-shifted a good hex editor can fix that.
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2010-10-11, 10:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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ION, I should have my judging done by tomorrow. I forgot my USB key today, but I can probably make up for it and get the last 3-4 done and combine them tomorrow for posting.
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2010-10-11, 04:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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2010-10-11, 07:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I realize this is late, but I would probably argue a bit about giving a lower score for the build being melee. War Mind is a melee focused prestige class. I think you can give bonus points if people can make it elegantly work as something else, but I don't think people just be penalized for using the class as it was written to be used. Likewise, I again think that power should be ranked by type. If someone built a melee character, don't compare it to a similar level caster, compare it to other melee builds.
Then again, that's just my two cents, and you're of course welcome to judge however you see fit.Would that there were a fantasy series chronicling the adventures of Sir Lucious Left Foot; Son of the champion Chico Dusty, Sworn Knight of Stankonia, and Oath brother to Andre of the Three-Fold Millenium Brotherhood.