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2012-10-31, 08:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, either the distant past or the distant future of the Star Wars universe would be a good place to go. Or at least far enough back so the characters haven't been born yet, or far enough forward so that the original characters are all (or almost all -- Jedi longevity tricks, etc.) dead.
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So the song runs on, with shift and change,
Through the years that have no name,
And the late notes soar to a higher range,
But the theme is still the same.
Man's battle-cry and the guns' reply
Blend in with the old, old rhyme
That was traced in the score of the strata marks
While millenniums winked like campfire sparks
Down the winds of unguessed time. -- 4th Stanza, The Bad Lands, Badger Clark
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2012-10-31, 08:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-31, 09:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-31, 10:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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There's an underlying question that probably detemines everything and that's whether they go with recast existing characters or go for a new generation. Right now I take anything we might "know" or hear about this Episode VII to be written in sand below the tide line, not stone. Whatever the Mouse may have planned it still has to get through the nitty gritty of getting to a working screenplay with director, cast, and start filming. I think the biggest single decision will be whether they recast, or go for a new set of protagonists.
If they go for a new generation then you can quite possibly put the EU up to point into continuity. And it would let them do certain things like have the original cast cameo in-character. Mark Hamill showing up a bit to be the Obi-Wan or Yoda would be very cyclical and appropriate to the series. And doing this would at least allow the EU to be retained to a point, though does lock in certain things.
I suspect that the powers that be will find that a little binding (even aside from the EU) with a less sure bet and be looking to recast Luke/Leia/Han/etc. And once you do that then I think there's no really saving the EU as the movie would undoubtedly need to deal at least once with what's going on. I'm sure there would be some Fan Wank to try and save stuff... but its hard to see the standing definition of tiers holding up which would rob the authority from the EU most of all. At that point... yeah time to put it down.
When I'm being completely honest though I think that I only need certain conceptual elements brought over. Now while admittedly SW has always been different I think the superhero movies show that you can modify elements of the mythos and still be well regarded. I realize I don't care so much about actual events as long as the characters and I hold in high regard remain.
Essentially arrive at a relationship similar to say the DCU and the DCAU, where though the latter shares no continuity everyone generally still feels in-character. If relationships and characters stay intact the events can work themselves out and it all still feels true and valid. SW is now in all likelihood going to have to transition from a single canon into a more conceptual mythos.
I still fanboy enough I think to find the idea of doing say... the revived-Palps with Thrawn as the Dragon conceptually made of awesome and ripe with appeal. The sort of thing that can both work for the general populace, but amounts to big love letter to long term fans for their devotion. This is pretty thoroughly impossible with existing canon though.
I would say that is the great potential of this deal. The biggest problem with SW this century has been Lucas himself. If he's sufficiently cordoned off from the project then we can actually a fresh vision brought to bare on the series. Maybe even one that remember that the original movie's climax hinged on a space battle and not lightsaber fights.
Now admittedly Thrawn is unlikely to be the Big Bad. Even Zahn himself made up a Force oriented threat in C'boath as that sort of personnel conflict is very much a part of SW too but not something Thrawn is conceptually well suited for or should ever be in.
Admit it though you probably like the idea of him playing a (technically) supporting villain role character intact, and maybe even getting to survive to cause even more trouble going forward yes?
I figured that was implied. The Solo kids (all three), Ben, and Mara all live to see their grandkids of course. They don't have to die of old age, but they sure as hell go out like bad assess. All the original cast can die of old age when appropriate though.
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2012-10-31, 11:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Of course, the easiest and possibly best thing to do would be to set it after Legacy: War. They could start fresh with a new (at least to the film world) crop of characters, with freedom to do whatever the heck they wanted without damaging existing EU continuity. As a bonus, the era in question is set up perfectly for an old-school story setup: No alien weirdness here, just the main characters, a galactic government doomed to fail/fracture somehow, and a group of Sith that prefer to work undercover.
Alas, it seems it's too late for this.
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2012-11-01, 02:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-01, 07:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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The question was: what will George Lucas do with all the money he got from selling Lucasfilm to Disney?
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2012-11-01, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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The best editorial I've read yet on the subject:
George Lucas Just Saved Star Wars by Firing George Lucas
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Fans of the franchise are certainly skeptical about these new movies after being forced to suffer through Lucas’s bitter meanderings through the universe he inspired. But should they be? While Lucas will remain as a creative consultant, Disney has already shown the ability to produce action packed crowd pleasers for children and adults alike, and their success with trusting Marvel’s Avengers to Whedon was admirable. And really, your childhood can only be destroyed in front of you once. How much worse could it be?Last edited by TheEmerged; 2012-11-01 at 08:04 AM.
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How about Princess Kneesea?
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2012-11-01, 02:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Any comment on what RedLetterMedia has to say about this yet?
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Well, there goes 90% of my interest.
Honestly, I don't think I care what happens to the EU anymore. Cannonicity doesn't mean squat to me, so the stories I like won't be effected, and there's the off chance that the new stuff will be better than the old - or at least what's become of the old.
I will say that I'm not a fan of the idea of "rebooting" Zahn's characters, like Thrawn or Mara, if it means any substantial changes to them in the process, though. I honestly think they're closer to being sacred cows of the series to me than most of the movie characters.
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2012-11-01, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-01, 06:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Whether or not existing EU characters are included in any way probably depends on the rights situation. If Zahn holds the rights to Thrawn and Mara Jade etc., then there's probably no chance. If the rights are held by LucasArts, that might be a different story.
Apparently plans for a third trilogy began circulating "last August", so it's likely that the initial groundwork has already been laid. And with the original story idea almost certainly coming from Lucas... my guess is that all the post-RotJ EU material is just going to be cut off at the knees, the same way everything that was written about the Clone Wars prior to the release of the PT was._______________________________________________
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2012-11-01, 09:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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What are the odds we get cameos from the cast of previous Star Wars films?
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2012-11-01, 11:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Am I too late to post this?
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2012-11-02, 12:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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This guy right here has the right idea. The star wars universe is full of crap getting retconed away. Let's face it, everyone knows about the Thrawn Trilogy, right? Well here's the thing, those books feature a scene where Thrawn specifically mentions that the Clone Wars were a clone rebellion that fought against the Empire and were eventually destroyed by the Jedi. Of course fast forward 10-15 years and it's clear that is not the case. Clearly there is no grantee that the new movie will follow cannon, if anything the exact opposite is true.
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2012-11-02, 02:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Aye, the Cannon Turalisj. It be what we be shootin the EU out of.
Or did ye be havin issue with such plans me hearty? Say yer piece and be quick about it, lest ye find yerself gettin aquainted with Davey Jones an' his oft' mentioned locker.
Translation; Spelling mistakes aside, were you agreeing?
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2012-11-02, 02:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, I was agreeing. I like about an equal percentage of the EU as I do the prequel movies. That there is a great deal more of the EU than there is of the movies, just means you have more trash to sift through to find the good stuff.
Sure, you have Mara Jade and Thrawn in the EU. But you also have Marty Stu Wedge Antilles during the X-Wing books, you have a certain character getting a moon dropped on him, you've got numerous inconsistencies, and the literary arms race of each writer pushing out bigger and meaner super weapons.
I think wiping it clean would be the best thing at this point. I love Star Wars, but there's so much junk in the EU that it's best to start from scratch and throw in nods to the fandom's favorites (like Mara and Thrawn).
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2012-11-02, 02:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'll be honest, a part of me was hoping your entire reply would also be written out in pirate.
I mostly agree, though I'm thinking at least one line there might be a bit controversial with the forum's resident Lich. If you could just work in reference to being uninterested in spaceship battles...
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2012-11-02, 03:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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And the forum's resident pair of fiendish polyhedrals.
I'm not going to deny that there's a lot of crap in the EU--my Bluff modifier is nowhere near high enough for that--but as I've said several times in this thread the vast majority of the New Republic stuff is somewhere between salvageable and very good, and there's really no reason to throw away the good stuff with the bad. Considering that keeping the good stuff and tossing the old is as easy as setting Ep VII in the 20-25 ABY range, saying everything prior is canon, and blowing away the NJO and everything after that, the only thing to be gained by invalidating the good EU stuff is pissing off the devoted fans.
And they really don't want to piss off the diehard fans this time around. When the prequels came out, my friends asked me "Okay, [Dice], you're the resident Star Wars expert and fanatic, are these movies worth seeing?" Since I'd obviously been reading every press release, watching every trailer, reading all of the between-movies EU books, and otherwise keeping up with everything about the movie, my friends trusted my opinion on whether they were worth watching; if you convince the major fans that Ep VII isn't worth seeing, there's a good chance they'll keep a lot of more casual fans away as well, particularly after everyone got burned by the prequels which is going to make them fairly skeptical this time around.
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2012-11-02, 07:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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There is only one thing I hope to see coming from this:
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