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2006-04-22, 03:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
And why is it [official]? Because it's the first after Giant closed the other threads for being competitive, duplicative, and spammy, and ordered us to move on.
Now, to begin the discussion:
I say, who cares? Live and let live. It's not like you can tell half the time with elves anyway. However, (s)he always struck me as having a slightly more masculine personality than feminine. Impatient (as far as a wizard can be, at least,) violent, arrogant...all frequently perceived as masculine (or at least Yangish) traits, and all emphasized in V at one point or another.
Discuss. Politely.Last edited by Nerd-o-rama; 2008-02-05 at 05:48 PM. Reason: Good lord, I used a stupid honorific in this post. Now that people are paying attention to it again, I guess I'll fix it.
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2006-04-22, 07:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
The only ansver to this is that people are much less gendered than some of you think. The traits you list above for V are not masculine, they are just human.
Some societies and ethnic groups still think a woman is supposed inherently kind, meek and unambitious. That's just cultural baggage of a rather nasty kind. Gender racism.
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2006-04-22, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
Originally Posted by AdeptusThanks to Veera for the avatar.
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
Originally Posted by Dhavaer
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Originally Posted by Roland St. Jude
Hahahaha, oh snap.
My comment resposted from just before the last thread closed:
Vaarsuvius as a character fascinates me. I find I really, really care what gender he is, and thinking of him as a male makes me have a different attitude to thinking of... her, as a female.
Being that I didn't formerly buy the feminist crap that gender makes a fundamental difference to my perceptions of people (Or at least anyone I don't actively want to have sex with), Im sort of surprised. And now I find I don't want to know what gender Vaarsuvius is, cause I find his actions more interesting without the framework...
Im definitely overanalysing this, and Vaarsuvius is a fictional character so it's dumb. Still, does anyone else find him/her more interesting in some way because you don't know what gender he/she is?
Of course, being that Vaarsuvius is an interesting and intelligent character with a three-dimensional personality, I think it's fairly safe to assume he's not female.
*ducks and rolls*
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2006-04-22, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Having dated someone whose gender I didn't know until we ended up in bed I can safely say it doesn't make a bit of difference.
You like someone or not. You fancy someone or not.
In V's case, we have someone with an outspoken mind, someone who I know I would love to be friends with, who would drive me nuts as a lover, and who I definitely wouldn't want as an enemy.
Those feelings won't change because I suddenly know V's gender.
V is genderqueer, undefined and taht does, sort of, make V more interesting.
If gender was suddenly revealed, it woudl posisbly just be a dissapointment, beause the mystery would then be gone.
So while this discussion itself is interesting I am not sure what we are trying to establish here?
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2006-04-22, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
personally, even if she's agressive and stuff, I see her as a female. I think she does become quite "male"ish when his/her friends are acting stupid again. But if (s)he is male why would haley go in the same room when they go at an inn or similar?
also some considerable evidense is on the OOTS comic #123.
therefore, my point of view is that either V is a female, an "it" or...likes guys...I kill two goblins in the moring,&&I kill two goblins at night,&&I kill two goblins in the evening and then I fell alright!&&I kill two goblins at state of peace and two in times of war,&&I kill two goblins before killing two goblins and then I kill two more
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2006-04-23, 12:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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At one point or another I mentioned that it would make sense for V to be male, so that Haley could be the only girl in the party - I also share the opinion that I have never heard the unbridled arrogance V displays on a woman before. Then again, I'm not an elf.
Also, it would make sense for Haley to feel safe rooming with V because she knows that V's married, whether or not they share a gender. And it isn't as if she wants to pay for her own private room...
Out of curiosity, has anyone ever heard Haley refer to V by gender? His, hers, or other such? That seems like it would be the surest clue. I'll have to reread the archives for the seventh or eigth time...
That said, V is just as interesting as a genderless character, in my opinion, and I don't actually have an emotional stake in the issue. Anyways, off to do that whole archive thing - peace all.
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2006-04-23, 05:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
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2006-04-23, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
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Originally Posted by storybookknight
I've known several girls who've had the same kind of personality that V has. However, I too think that V's personality would most likely belong to a man. (Not that it couldn't possible belong to a woman though...)Real wizards use staves
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2006-04-23, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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V is probably a woman. The fact that her arranged marriage was to a man seals it, along with her need to be roomed with another woman.
also, it could be non-gendered, but who wants to find out ??? (anyone who does has a sick, sick mind.)
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Originally Posted by tomspeeder22The member of the Australian Society for the Encouragement and Propagation of Beards. - Custom avatar by Moonsinger. Technical assistance by Quasimodo.
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
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Originally Posted by Adeptus
Originally Posted by The Doctor
Originally Posted by tomspeeder22HUMANS....... ARE....... SUPERIORRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But she was naked! And all... articulate!!
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2006-04-24, 03:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Holy_Knight
Now, I could make a guess, but I wasn't sure. And I could have asked, but since we both had already agreed that gender was not really a factor, I didn't, figuring I would find out later.
Many people have an aversion to the mere idea of a sexual relation ship with a man or a woman, so I guess they would be troubled.
If you set that thought aside, if you, so to speak, don't mind to dance with a boy or girl, then gender just becomes fluff. You can safely have a crush for someone you meet without being emberrased later on. It's a lot easier, really.
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2006-04-24, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay I think Vaarsuvius is a girl, and know that she is a guy.
Yes that sounded really wierd.
I think she is a girl, because that was what I first interpreted her as being on reading the first comic, and what I thought she was for at least 150 comics, probably more around 290 (whenever I started reading these forums is when I changed my mind) I had this interpretation for one, and only one reason. Specifically, in the 3.0 D&D core rulebooks, there is an elven wizard, who is female, as such all elven wizards are female until proven otherwise for me. Also said Mialee the wizard acts sort os like Vaarsuvius, further reinforcing my assumptions, and later comics such as the Elan's weapon of choice, and #123 reinforced m assumption.
Now I know that she is a guy because Rich Burlew actually said it in these forums. Go back to the very last page in the comics forums and read every thread. Thats what I did, and somewhere there Bogotter the modotter said he thought V was a she and EVERYONE disagreed, and then Bogotter the Modotter made a thread about how he was wrong when Rich typed V as a he in the animal companions thread.
In conclusion, I don't care. I know V is a he and yet still whenever I see someone say V as a he I automatically correct it in my mind thinking, thats wron its she, and a second later remembering, oh wait, nevermind they are right.
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2006-04-24, 08:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Tyrasius
Oh my god...not again. >.<
Rich Burlew uses the word he when referring to Vaarsuvius, but the Giant has also stated that Vaarsuvius does not have a determined gender and that his/her perceived gender changes from strip to strip.
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2006-04-24, 09:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Woah... I forgot I was registered here. Anywho:
My date's appearance was androgyn, and dressed in such a way as to make it hard to guess gender (short cut hair, loose shirt and trousers, etc). Could have been a guy, could have been a girl.
Now, I could make a guess, but I wasn't sure. And I could have asked, but since we both had already agreed that gender was not really a factor, I didn't, figuring I would find out later.
Concerning V, I have no real arguement either way. When I fisrt read the comics, I always perceived her/him as male. It came as quite a shock when I visited these forums and found a heated debate over V's gender. Of course, this entitled a re-read of the comics.
Though I now see that there is not much evidence either way, when I read the comics, I also picture V with a male voice. Ah, well [/my 2 cents]
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2006-04-24, 11:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Simple.
Varsuvius is a guy. Otherwise, he would have been 'Varsuvia.'
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I have a mildly unrelated remark -- one reason while I love OotS AND the forums is, that really cool people are hanging around here. I like you folks (what gender you ever choose to be...)
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Originally Posted by Rinion
Btw I originally did think V was male due to the name, but since elf names likely do not follow the same pattern as ancient Rome, I don't think it proves anything in the end.
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Originally Posted by The Doctor
Originally Posted by tee_kay_oneHUMANS....... ARE....... SUPERIORRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But she was naked! And all... articulate!!
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2006-04-24, 02:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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I do know some very... "masculine" females and some very... uh... "feminine" males, and I always thought V was a Guy... but when Haley Bunked with hir in the Inn, I thought...hm and then, while discissing over MSN with Drake Dragonslayer (he still active?) I pointed out #116 and inside the same second we both said "SHE CAN SEE!". So either V's a she, V's a guy who "likes guys", or the Marriage between V and the unmet spouse is very secure.
The main pro-she argument, I think, is still that Pompeii is a he.
BTW Doctor, very clever... and I have to ask, what was it like Filming with Queen Victoria?
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2006-04-24, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Before I started reading the Forum I never doubted that V was a guy. It didn't ever occur to me, that there might be a debate... ;D
A classical education will do that... (any name ending with -us has to be male) But a friend of mine never doubted that V was a girl and he was also quite astonished when he discovered the debate. So I suppose that it's entirely in the eye of the beholder... ;)
But just for statistical purposes I asked several other people (who don't read OotS) for their opinion and they all said 'female'. So I suppose I'd count as the odd one... 8)Winter is coming.
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2006-04-24, 04:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Ok, I'm going to show my points of why V is a female. One, V hangs out with Haley. And V could be the girlfriend of Haley that she shares her secrets with V. Two, V loves to drag out speeches. Most to all females love to talk and seem to never stop, you should hear my girlfriend ::). (That's not a bad thing, I still love you sweetie :-*) And in "On the Origins of the PCs." and when V breaks the table, Roy says that V is hired. And V says "Bah!! You are clearly only hiring me because I intimidated you intellectually, to the point where your masculine pride requires you to establish your dominance over my superior mind." Because a lot of women feel that they are smarter men and that men have dominance over them. So with that, V must be a female.
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Re: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
gender expressions are overrated. maybe v's player just doesn't care about the gender of their pc. how does gender effect a character and game play? other than -2 on disguise checks.
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Originally Posted by TheJet31619
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Originally Posted by TheJet31619HUMANS....... ARE....... SUPERIORRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
But she was naked! And all... articulate!!