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2012-01-21, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXIX
Welcome, contestants, judges, and guests to Iron Chef XXIX. Here in Optimization Colosseum, contestants will endeavor to create an optimized and flavorful character using a specified D&D3.5 prestige class as a "Secret Ingredient".
Contestants: You will need to present a write-up of your build at at least one of the following points: 5th level, 10th level, 15th, 20th, and a "sweet spot" that you feel is the high point of the build, as well as presenting a fully-fleshed out 20-level build in the table below. Feel free to present as many of these as you like, and please give a rundown of the build's abilities and playability at all of the levels you didn't show. The rules are as follows:
Menu: For most challenges, the "special ingredient" will be drawn from Core plus Completes. There will, from time to time, be special challenges that showcase secret ingredients from other books--for example, the XPH.
32 point-buy is the presumed creation method, but we have generally allowed other levels of point-buy.
If you do use a different point-buy, please make your case for its necessity in your entry. Keep in mind that for using exceptionally large or small point-buys may warrant deductions in elegance and/or power.
Kitchen: Competitors will be free to use any official 3.5 rulebook in constructing their builds. Dragon magazine is disallowed, and Unearthed Arcana is allowed; but see Elegance below. Web-exclusive 3.0 or 3.5 materials by WotC are expressly allowed, but take care to verify that an updated version did not appear in print elsewhere, as this may cause an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion. Alternate rule systems from UA such as gestalt are not allowed, as they create a different playing field. Also, item familiars are forbidden because I hate 'em. This comes up often enough to bear mention in the rules: Dragon Compendium is allowed.
Cooking Time: Contestants will have until 11:59PM GMT on Friday, February 4th, 2012 to create their builds and PM them to the Chairman, Amphetryon. Builds will then be posted simultaneously, to avoid copying. Judges will have until 11:59PM GMT on Friday, February 18th, 2012 to judge the builds and submit their scores. If no judges have scored by that point, only the scores of the first judge to submit will be counted. If you do not have access to the current challenge's Secret Ingredient, please do not volunteer to judge this round.
Judging: Judging will be based on the following criteria, with each build rated from 1 (very poor) to 5 (exemplary) in each area: Originality, Power, Elegance, Use of Secret Ingredient.
Power level is up to you. Cheese is acceptable, but should be kept to a sane level unless you're showcasing a new TO build you've discovered. In the words of one of my predecessors, a little cheddar can be nice, but avoid the mature Gruyere unless you're making a cheese fondue.Elegance could bear a little elaboration. It basically measures how skillfully you put your build together, and whether you sacrificed flavor for power. We're cooking here - if your dish doesn't taste good, it doesn't matter how well-presented it is. Use of flaws is an automatic loss of one point per flaw in this category. Other things that will cause lost points here are excessive multiclassing, and classes that don't fit the concept - using Cloistered Cleric in a front-line melee fighter, for example, will lose you points. Please note the following change: a legal source's relative obscurity should not be considered as penalizing Elegance, excepting the aforementioned issues with Unearthed Arcana. Using too many sources may be an Elegance deduction at the judges' discretion, but a book's relative obscurity may not.Presentation: Builds will be posted anonymously, in order to avoid the potential of bias towards a particular competitor. For this reason, please don't put your name in the build, as I'm likely to miss it when reviewing the entries!
Due to concerns about standardizing entry format, I'd like everyone to try to use the following table for their entry.SpoilerNAME OF ENTRY
{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features
1st|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
2nd|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
3rd|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
4th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
5th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
6th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
7th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
8th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
9th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
10th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
11th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
12th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
13th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
14th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
15th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
16th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
17th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
18th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
19th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
20th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities[/table]
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1st|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
2nd|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
3rd|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
4th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
5th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
6th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
7th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
8th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
9th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
10th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
11th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
12th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
13th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
14th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
15th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
16th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
17th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
18th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
19th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
20th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities[/table]
For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage)SpoilerSpells per day/Spells Known
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For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list.Speculation: Please don't post or speculate on possible builds until the "reveal," in order to avoid spoiling the surprise if a particular competitor is producing a build along those lines.
Leadership is banned; we're producing a meal, not a seven-course banquet for a hundred diners. If your entry includes a prestige class or ACF that grants Leadership or a Leadership-like ability as a bonus feat, the feat should be ignored and is not eligible to be traded away for another feat of ACF through any means.
So! Who wants to sign up as a contestant, and who wants to sign up as a judge? Looking for as many contestants and judges as feel like playing!
This week's special ingredient is:
Complete Divine's Consecrated Harrier! (Please note previous versions of Consecrated Harrier are not acceptable substitutes).
We will award 1st through 3rd places, as well as a shout-out for honorable mention. The honorable mention prize is given to the most daring or unexpected build. Judges, contestants and guests alike are invited to vote for honorable mention via PM.
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Iron Chef XXVIII: CryokineticistLast edited by Amphetryon; 2012-01-21 at 09:17 PM.
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2012-01-21, 09:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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I can't say I've ever paid any attention to that one. I'm going to have to read up.
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2012-01-21, 09:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Consecrated Harrier huh? Interesting - I'll see if I can get an entry in this time...
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2012-01-21, 09:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh my, this one does have some meat to it, so many wonderful options.
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I've read it, and all I can say is, "huh."
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Yeah at first glance it doesn't look like much, sorta ranger casting, code of conduct, some random abilities. I wouldn't say it is a great prestige class, but it is far far better then some, and there should be some ways to make it work out nicely.
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Hmmm... well, there's one glaringly obvious entry, but the entry requirements are suitabally vague enough that just about anything not a 1/2 BAB class can probably get in on time. Heck, only needing 5 ranks means you can do cross-class by level 7 or 8. It's got a single feat requirement that comes as a class ability from at least one if not two base classes.
So very open-ended as to what qualifies... I look forward to seeing the variety of dishes served for this one.SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
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One idea immediately springs to mind. I plan to compete.
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2012-01-21, 11:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Some Wis-synergy is obviously in order. I'll be watching with interest.
Also, the picture is the stiffest pose I've seen for a while. That's pretty much the only thing I've noticed of the class until now.Quotes:Praise for avatar may be directed to Derjuin.Spoiler
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Mmmm... not really. Wis 14 is all you really need to get all the spells out of this class. You can use most of the defensive/utility spells on the list and not worry much about DC's. About the only thing that really screams 'wisdom synergy' is the (wisdom mod + 1) times/day for the SLA's.
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I should mention that I hate this class...
Still, I have an idea for it that I'm going to run with. I love the idea, but this class is really not what I would want to use it for. On the other hand, it can work with this class, and I doubt the classes with which it would work best will come up anytime soon.Quod tibi vis fieri, facias.Spoiler: Links to my content threadsAldhaven - May 27, 2010 and ongoing.
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2012-01-22, 12:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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yeah, but the SLAs are sort of specific enough that I really don't think you'll be using them more than 3 times an in-game day
I must give you credit, amphetryon, I am rather well versed with the completes and I've never even heard of this class before.
it reads sort of like bloodhoud-lite. I think I can come up with at least 1 workable idea, maybe 2.
in any event, count me in as a contestant instead of a judge this time, I can make this workI've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
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Just posting so the thread is prompted for me. I haven't decided whether to judge or compete but I will do one or the other. I typical dislike divine classes. They have way too much agenda for my tastes. And this class seems especially difficult in the originality department. I have already brain stormed about 15 different builds and they all seem terribly obvious to me. I might frantically try to enter them all and go the buckshot route. Or I might be utterly bored by it and decide to judge instead. I will give it a few days of pondering.
P.S. Can we end the conversation on the mechanical inner-workings of the class? It kind of borderlines on the whole "don't discuss builds" rule for me.Last edited by Gotterdammerung; 2012-01-22 at 02:19 AM.
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The classes spell like abilities do not specify caster level. Can we get a rules clarification on the CL of these abilities.
Detect chaos- states per lvl which leaves the question, character level or class lvl?
Dispel magic- does not state CL or how to calculate.
Crushing Despair- does not state CL or how to calculate.
False Vision- does not state CL or how to calculate.
Thank you in advance.
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What's the consensus on Dragonlance setting material? Acceptable, or will result in horrible Elegance penalties?
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I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
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Well, I would think it depends on the Dragonlance book you're talking about. The only book produced and published by Wizards is the Dragonlance Campaign Setting book.
The rest of the stuff is third party with a "Wizards of the Coast Licensed Product" seal, and it is notorious for either being complete crap or borked to the point of making things like Incantrix and Planar Shepard look sane.
Then again, Dragon Compendium is allowed... That's a bunch of third party content with essentially the same seal and problems...
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Going to be difficult to make the Dispel Magic relevant, then, since you're going to be way behind the CL of anything you'd want to dispel. It'll be interesting to see how the contestants compensate for this.
Crushing Despair and False Vision, fortunately, doesn't have anything really dependent on CL other than duration, which is minutes/level and hours/level respectively, and quite long enough to not worry about it.SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
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Looked over the class now, see it pretty, well... uh.. would it be speculation to say my initial impression is that it turns a ranger into a paladin? With less-than-normal for a paladin? I would think not...
I've got the start of my build, but am wondering whether to go straight <I know it would be speculation to say this, so I won't>, or to take another PrC first... I'm still grateful to Venger for giving me access to books that I couldn't before, and now I'm about to crack open <Saying the BOOKS would be speculation> to check out a feat I'm considering. I would now ask for advice, but that would also cause speculation.
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Well, I have my story finished and have all but 4 feats and 1 class level selected... I'm trying to decide between +1 existing class or a 1-level dip squeezed in somewhere...
Correction, my build is finished, and I'm just trying to polish it for final submission. I have two other ideas I really want to consider as well...Last edited by Rizban; 2012-01-22 at 06:47 PM.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXIX
Originally Posted by SRD
Time-wasting Question: Blessing of Scripture provides a "...sacred bonus on Bluff, Listen, Sense Motive, Spot, and Survival checks when in pursuit of their church-assigned targets." The next line says these bonuses apply to leaders of groups. That bolded part is odd. Does it read as <bonus on all those skill checks> as long as you can say you're in pursuit? Or a bonus against the leader only, except for Survival, which applies while in pursuit?
I'm assuming the latter interpretation, as the former means that if you're hunting an organization, you would gain the benefits against anyone who you encountered on the way, but not the organization itself, since you already found them, unless it's the leader. Though the Sense Motive bonus may help you discover who has the leader -- "Oh hey, I can really read this guy! He must be calling the shots!"Last edited by Pechvarry; 2012-01-22 at 07:09 PM.
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge In The Playground XXIX
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